Prof.Codevilla At Forbes;"dissidents to unite and present themselves united as an alternative. That is the natural path to the dissidents forming a new party while Republican leadership dissolves into the Democratic party."

At Forbes Professor Angelo M Codevilla has presented a brilliant analysis of the current state of the Republican party. He sees the "Country Club Republicans" i.e.  the Rockefeller elite, as essentially tied to the Democratic Party in a Beltway alliance. 

Codevilla's analysis shows that, for the first time since the Goldwater rebellion in 1964, the rank and file, most of whom didn't want Romney  are still 
in the tent, but are ignoring the ringmaster.

Given the cyclical nature of the two party system, there  will eventually be a change of government. Whether that change brings in a genuinely conservative Republican government or, as appears very likely, a new conservative party shorn of the current Establishment, is the major question.

That, as Codevilla describes, the 2010 and 2012 Congressional Republican intake is, for a very large part, ignoring the Establishment is a pointer as to how this scenario may play out.

If the 2014 mid-terms further reinforce this new breed, with Palin's assistance yet again, then the internal tensions will be such that the change of leadership, or complete split if that doesn't happen, will be as swift and as final as the collapse of the Whigs which Professor Codevilla details.

The latest Bloomberg poll has Republican party approval at 35%. This is the legacy of the GOP establishments 2012 presidential campaign and Karl Rove's subsequent intrusion in to the upcoming candidate selection process. To some the divisions are not able to be healed and instead of continuing on with a battle which will only weaken both sides perhaps, at CPAC. It is time to either declare for a split, or put the Establishment on final notice.

Here are some key quotes in respect of the possible rise of a third party. The entire post is AT THIS LINK

"As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned"

Angelo M. Codevilla is Professor Emeritus of international relations at Boston University and a fellow of the Claremont Institute.

 "Today the majority of Republican congressmen plus a minority of senators – dissidents from the Party but solid with their voters – are the natural core of a new party. The name it might bear is irrelevant."

"Moreover to set up the Republican establishment as a separate caucus invites the dissidents to unite and present themselves united as an alternative. That is the natural path to the dissidents forming a new party while Republican leadership dissolves into the Democratic party. In sum, the value of the label “Republican” is problematic."

"A new party is likely to arise because the public holds both Republicans and Democrats responsible for the nation’s unsustainable course. Indebtedness cannot increase endlessly. "

"When – sooner rather than later – events collapse this house of cards, it will be hard to credibly advocate a better future while bearing a label that advertises responsibility for the present. Why trust any Republican qua Republican?"

"Yet the country class, to defend itself, to cut down the forest of subsidies and privileges that choke America, to curb the arrogance of modern government, cannot shy away from offending the ruling class’ intellectual and moral pretenses. Events themselves show how dysfunctional the ruling class is. But only a political party worthy of the name can marshal the combination of reason, brutal images, and consistency adequately to represent America’s country class."

Chuck heath Jnr. (Palin's brother) Further Expands On A New Third Party

From Conservatives4palin

Posted on January 09 2013 - 5:16 PM - Posted by: Steve Flesher | Follow Steve on Twitter!

We here at C4P have a lot of respect for the Governor and her family and appreciate their contributions to commonsense conservatism. 

I was thrilled to post Chuck’s brilliant post from a couple days ago where he questioned whether or not the time for a third party had arrived or not. 

Well, through reader discussion, he has followed up a couple times with his readers since then.  Please join in the discussions here at C4P or at Facebook.

On Monday, he posted the following:

This is the second half of the piece about a new “American Party” I posted last night. Many of your comments were great. Keep the suggestions coming.

“This party’s platform would be a conglomerate of the best ideas from the existing parties, plus a few new commonsense ideas. It would adhere to the tenants of our Constitution and be Christian-based.

Under the new party’s platform, term limits would be adhered to. I suggest that any representative be limited to three consecutive terms and senators two. They would be free to serve again in the future, but only after sitting out another two terms. If the opposition won’t play by those rules, so be it. The people will decide who stays and who goes.

Under the American Party, a senator or representative would not be permitted to go to work for any corporation that he has been involved with as a member of government for a period of two years.

Campaign contributions would be limited to individuals and be completely transparent. No more “corporate politicians”!

This would be the party with solutions, not just talk. It would be a party by the people and for the people.

If not now… then when?

This is just the beginning. I am just one man expressing my opinion. I’m hoping that there are more of you out there that share it. Something has to be done. Our country cannot and will not prosper unless something drastically changes.”

Then even more recently, Chuck was nice enough to post the following words from Democrat Pollster, Pat Caddell.  Chuck said the following:

This is kind of eerie. As most of you know I wrote a post two days ago about the possibility of starting a third major political party that could seriously contend for high national offices. I’m not a politician and the only reason I wrote it was because I am so frustrated with the bickering between our two established parties and the direction our country is heading. Anyway, someone sent me a video today of a speech that Democratic pollster Pat Caddell delivered to a group of women in Austin, Texas yesterday.

Pat is much, much more politically savvy than I am so I’d like to share some of what he said in his speech. He mentioned that he is speaking out for the sake of his own grandchildren.

-75-79% of Americans believe government in Washington governs without the consent of the people.

-83% think the system is rigged by lobbyists, unions, banks, and special interests.

-77% (recent Gallup poll) believe the power play between our two parties is a threat to the survival of our country.

Regarding the Fiscal Cliff: Mort Zuckerman recently stated that the unfunded liability of government is 87 trillion dollars. The new bill that was just passed: for every dollar in spending cuts there will be 41 dollars in new taxes. On top of this, hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks will be given to special interests.

Mr. Caddell then said that we currently have two political parties: the “corrupt” party and the “stupid” party (he didn’t stipulate which one was which).

He said that not only did the Senate pass the Fiscal Cliff bill, but they caved and gave Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling.

He called Obamacare a crime against democracy because Obama promised it wouldn’t be linked to new taxes. Since then 19,000 new IRS agents are being put in place. He said that congressmen on both sides of the aisle helped it pass because they are in cahoots with the insurance companies that will profit from this new legislation. “Congressmen will talk but will not act.” He mentioned that 30% of Obama voters want Obamacare overturned.

He said that the role of government is supposed to be to protect the people from power, not impose power on the people.

He concluded by saying that regardless of what party people belong to, when you are elected you swear an oath to the constitution, not a political party.

It’s anything but a mystery.  Frankly, for my own reasons I bit my tongue through most of the election cycle in 2012.  But serious discussions must move forward and the movement required to create such an alternative has to be consistent.  Right now, we do have decent members on both sides of the aisle who feel cut off.  But then it becomes easy to sell out to special interests when people are showered with media attention.  That is why a new platform should be presented to the people.  They need a place to go and I frankly believe they are willing to take that step.  A couple folks powerful enough are required to at least begin the discussions on the possibility.  We’re not going to determine the direct course overnight, but if the people know we’re working towards bypassing both machines of the left and the right, they’ll be ready to grab on once its developed.

People really are that sick of our government.

The fact that Huffington Post is picking up Chuck’s words means that even they know that people are waiting for something new.  The threat of a new path could not only accomplish the task of giving the people a viable choice, but it could in fact get the two parties we are currently stuck with to sit up and take notice.

I thank Chuck Heath, Jr. for having the courage to put this thought out there.  Gov. Palin has always contended that at the end of the day most of us agree more than we disagree.  And there needs to be a choice for ‘most of us’ in future elections.

Further Signs Of The 2016 Third Party Realignment;"Moderate Republican Group Will Remove The Word "Republican" From Its Title And Welcome Center-right Democrats In 2013"

In further signs that a major realignment in American politics may be under way a group which describes itself as representing the "governing wing of the Republican party (sic) is dropping the word republican from its title and will attempt to recruit Democrats whilst remaining a "center-right organization". 

This chimera is to be welcomed and I wish them, and any blue dog ilk they manage to attract, every success.The quicker the fracture takes place and a genuine conservative party emerges freed from such fellow travellers the better.

From Yahoo's "The Ticket":

"The Republican Main Street Partnership, a Washington-based group that has promoted moderate GOP lawmakers and policies, will remove the word "Republican" from its title and welcome center-right Democrats in 2013, Yahoo News has learned.

The organization's board of directors voted Tuesday morning to scrap party identification from its title and be known simply as "The Main Street Partnership." The group's new president, former Ohio Republican Rep. Steven LaTourette, told Yahoo News that he plans to begin conversations with Blue Dog Democrats and centrist groups in the coming months.

"The goal is to try and fill the void that is the middle," LaTourette, who resigned from Congress this year, said. "The American political system is like a doughnut: You've got sides, but you don't have anything in the middle, and it would be my goal to work with Republicans and Democrats who want to find the path forward to getting things done and compromise."

In a statement released Tuesday afternoon, LaTourette added: “While we have changed our name, we have not changed our values or our mission. We will continue to be a right of center organization and continue to represent the governing wing of the Republican Party."

The Main Street Partnership will also expand its super PAC, Defending Main Street, to aid center-right members of both parties, LaTourette said, adding, "It's not going to be focused so much on party as it is on protecting people from the right and left extremes if they choose to do the right things."

Read the entire article AT THIS LINK

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Open Forum;Towards A New Conservative Party In 2016.Number 2;Chuck Heath Jnr. (Palin's Brother) And Conservatives4Palin Comment

Sarah Palin's Brother Chuck Heath Jnr. has followed up on his earlier statement "Sarah Palin for president 2016" issued shortly after President Obama's re-election (see my commentary/his remark AT THIS LINK) with a call for a new "The American Party" third party. Left unsaid was his thoughts on who should lead such a party, but the dots are easily connected.

Here, courtesy of Steve Flesher's report at Conservatives4Palin, is Heath's article and their commentary.
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Chuck Heath, Jr. Asks: ‘Has the Third Party’s Time Come?’

Posted on January 07 2013 - 1:31 PM - Posted by: Steve Flesher | Follow Steve on Twitter!

Last night, Chuck, Jr. made a very thoughtful case to his readers.  In it, he recognizes the reality of politics as usual in Washington which is also co-opted by the powerful mainstream media.  Chuck shares the following via Facebook:

Enough is Enough: Has the Third Party’s Time Come?

We’ve lost our way. The American political system is a mess. The divisiveness between Republicans and Democrats seems insurmountable and it’s getting worse every day. I could get into the reasons that this is happening, but I doubt that would change a thing.

It is very painful for me to see this country literally becoming unraveled at the seams… especially when I look at my own children’s future. I’ve watched friends and even family members break ties over political differences. I have watched good, smart people enter politics and seen them change for the worse over the years as they’ve become part of the political machine.

Political seniority often leads to leadership positions but has nothing to do with performance. Casting a favorable vote for something you may not even believe in, just to gain a committee chair or for some other future favor, is rampant in politics.

It’s a very dirty game and it’s the reason so many really talented people never get involved in it. It’s also the reason my sister Sarah Palin, has been so viciously attacked over the years. She refused to “play the game”. She has always stuck to her principles and because of that, she is viewed as a threat. I’ve watched people in both major parties do everything they can to demean and destroy her. And all for what… for trying to limit the size of government? For asking all of us to do our share? For insisting we spend less than we take in? For ending crony capitalism? For going above and beyond to support our military? For utilizing our natural resources in a responsible way? For praying? The list goes on.

Let’s face it. As it stands now, it’s impossible to be elected to a high national office without being a part of the Republican or Democratic Party. I propose that the disgruntled citizens of the United States… Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians… persons of every race, religion, economic status, and whoever else is interested, join together and form a new party. I’d simply call it, the American Party.

You can find the original post here and join in on the ongoing discussion.

My personal thoughts on a third party include the fact that first, there has to be a loud uprising of the people.  Then, a certain powerful individual would perhaps respond to that uprising to become the leader of this movement.  The key is to get enough folks to follow.  There are a few leaders I can think of which include Allen West and Governor Palin.

The Republican Party needs to stop catering to special interests, the left, and to the media and get on the right side of the people.  With that being said, they have to know that they cannot do it (win) without us.

The task of a third party or an occupying of the GOP will be daunting either way.  I believe everybody recognizes the gamble of both avenues.  Yet, one person needs to be the one who sets the agenda so everyone is on the same page.  Additionally, there are far too many sections of the tea party out there.  All of them focus on the big prize of president.  In the past, Palin supporters and Ron Paul supporters would veer off on their own.  At the same time behind the scenes, both groups of tea parties would remain very cordial and pretty much support the same fundamental ideals of reducing the size of government and cleaning it up.

In 2013, let’s do our best to reach out to all those around us who share the same vision.  The prize is a return to our principles.  Once that happens, the rest can work itself out.

A New Conservative Party In 2016; An Open Forum

                              The Thirty Four Who Changed The World

Just 34 dedicated people meeting in a schoolhouse in rural Wisconsin in 1854 changed the world. Today, with much expressed dissatisfaction with the Republican Establishment after, yet again, another presidential election loss by an "electable" candidate, there are many voices raised considering the formation of a third party for the 2016 election.

This site is conceived as an open forum for conservatives to discuss the possibility of establishing a new conservative party. Beyond the discussion of the possible need for such a party, there are also the "nuts and bolts" aspects. These include how state and national committees might be set up, organizational structures and the like. These aspects are vital considerations as the structure is the bedrock of any political movement.

And of course policy is a key matter for discussion, as it is this area which would set any new party apart from the existing two party structure. It is policy that would be the ultimate determinant of the viability of a new party, as dissatisfaction with current leadership is, of itself, not enough to make such a radical move as the formation of a completely new party.

This site is not advising that a new party is necessarily needed, rather it is in place as a forum to canvass the concept-lead where it may. All constructive ideas and comments are welcome in the comments section, as is vigorous debate kept within the bounds of civility. Full, non-anonymous posts that fall within those guidelines are also most welcome. Any such should be emailed to holprof57@yahoo.com

Editor; M. Joseph Sheppard 


From Wikipedia

Birthplace of the Republican Party

The Little White Schoolhouse of Ripon, listed on the List of Registered Historic Places

Meeting at a school house in Ripon on February 28, 1854, some thirty opponents of the Kansas-Nebraska Act called for the organization of a new political party and suggested that Republican would be the most appropriate name (to link their cause with the Declaration of Independence). The group also took a leading role in the creation of the Republican Party in many northern states during the summer of 1854. While conservatives and many moderates were content merely to call for the restoration of the Missouri Compromise or a prohibition of slavery extension, the group insisted that no further political compromise with slavery was possible.

The February 1854 meeting was the first political meeting of the group that would become the Republican Party. The first mass meeting by a group that called itself "Republican" took place July 6, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan,with David S. Walbridge presiding, and in June Edwin Hurlbut called the second on July 13, 1854 in Madison, Wisconsin.[4] Both cities Jackson and Madison, along with Exeter, New Hampshire and Crawfordsville, Iowa, bill themselves as the "Birthplace of the Republican Party," however, Jackson is most often associated with this idea, as the event taking place was the first official mass Republican Party convention.,[5] with Madison, Wisconsin only a week later.